Comments on: PCPer Mailbag #59 – Nearly 1 Hour of Storage Discussion With Mr. Malventano https://pcper.com/2018/10/pcper-mailbag-59-nearly-1-hour-of-storage-discussion-with-mr-malventano/ A Leader in PC Hardware Reviews and News Mon, 25 Mar 2019 15:22:59 +0000 hourly 1 By: dreamcat4 https://pcper.com/2018/10/pcper-mailbag-59-nearly-1-hour-of-storage-discussion-with-mr-malventano/comment-page-1/#comment-112144 Thu, 08 Nov 2018 13:44:57 +0000 https://pcper.com/news/pcper-mailbag-59-nearly-1-hour-of-storage-discussion-with-mr-malventano/#comment-112144 Allyn, we often hear that
Allyn, we often hear that NVME ssds don’t make much speed difference over SATA for regular client desktop workloads. Which is already pretty well understood. However if running zfs / linux on a laptop. With two 1TB ssds in raid 1 (lets assume 32gb ram here). For a workload including VMs. And sometimes compiling / building things. Similar kinds of tasks. In some circumstances also being forced to use certain really poorly optimized software. Would this kind of an ‘in-between’ workload translate into any worthwhile difference for nvme vs sata? Well what if we are considering the whole lifetime of the machine. In excess of 5 years not just only 2 years? I am asking because SATA drives still seem to remain cheaper than nvme ones. And this price difference seems to add up more, when buying the larger capacities. In fact, why should it stack up on the larger sizes? If the nand flash costs the same price for both types of drive, shouldn’t the cost of the controller bit then become a smaller fraction of the total BOM cost? At what point will companies consider their R&D investment into NVME controllers has been returned / paid back? Does this have anything to do with market forces in relation to OEM ssds that use silicon motion or phsion controllers?

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By: Kokorniokos https://pcper.com/2018/10/pcper-mailbag-59-nearly-1-hour-of-storage-discussion-with-mr-malventano/comment-page-1/#comment-111933 Thu, 25 Oct 2018 16:57:14 +0000 https://pcper.com/news/pcper-mailbag-59-nearly-1-hour-of-storage-discussion-with-mr-malventano/#comment-111933 I would like to learn how
I would like to learn how easy or difficult it is, for microsoft to make the (dark) UI consistent. How does the company allocate resources of developers and artists? How much time and how many people have to work to make, for example, all right click menus same color? I am confused on why they introduce new stuff in every update, but fail to finish loose ends.

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By: Jimbo Jam https://pcper.com/2018/10/pcper-mailbag-59-nearly-1-hour-of-storage-discussion-with-mr-malventano/comment-page-1/#comment-111841 Tue, 23 Oct 2018 04:36:30 +0000 https://pcper.com/news/pcper-mailbag-59-nearly-1-hour-of-storage-discussion-with-mr-malventano/#comment-111841 What are the biggest
What are the biggest limitations with 4K rendering? Even with the 2080Ti, 4K benchmarks vary from over 100 FPS in games like Wolfenstein II, DOOM, and Battlefield 1 to sub 60 FPS timings with games like Shadow of the Tomb Raider, FF15, Ghost Recon Wildlands, etc. Is 4K more of a software limitation at this point or is it still more of a hardware limitation?

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By: Jimbo Jam https://pcper.com/2018/10/pcper-mailbag-59-nearly-1-hour-of-storage-discussion-with-mr-malventano/comment-page-1/#comment-111840 Tue, 23 Oct 2018 04:36:19 +0000 https://pcper.com/news/pcper-mailbag-59-nearly-1-hour-of-storage-discussion-with-mr-malventano/#comment-111840 What are the biggest
What are the biggest limitations with 4K rendering? Even with the 2080Ti, 4K benchmarks vary from over 100 FPS in games like Wolfenstein II, DOOM, and Battlefield 1 to sub 60 FPS timings with games like Shadow of the Tomb Raider, FF15, Ghost Recon Wildlands, etc. Is 4K more of a software limitation at this point or is it still more of a hardware limitation?

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By: Allyn Malventano https://pcper.com/2018/10/pcper-mailbag-59-nearly-1-hour-of-storage-discussion-with-mr-malventano/comment-page-1/#comment-111836 Mon, 22 Oct 2018 23:47:00 +0000 https://pcper.com/news/pcper-mailbag-59-nearly-1-hour-of-storage-discussion-with-mr-malventano/#comment-111836 In reply to bobhumplick.

I’m pretty sure 1 is for the

I'm pretty sure 1 is for the media (flash) and 2 is the internal controller temp, which is expected to run hot while active (similar to any other internal CPU temp reading).

For the chipset bottleneck thing, consider that most NVMe SSDs don't fully saturate x4, so you see an overall advantage just moving to a RAID-0 of a pair of drives, even if bottlenecked by the controller. Another part of the equation is that random performance still sees a decent boost since most NAND SSDs can't come close to saturating a x4 link when performing more random ops. Another factor is general less loading of the multiple parts dividing the same workload – queue depths will be lower to each drive, and SSD caches are additive across the array, increasing the likelihood that you are writing at full DMI throughput even under heavier loads. I did a review of triple M.2 RAID a while back – shows the advantages off using Latency Percentile, etc.

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By: Allyn Malventano https://pcper.com/2018/10/pcper-mailbag-59-nearly-1-hour-of-storage-discussion-with-mr-malventano/comment-page-1/#comment-111835 Mon, 22 Oct 2018 23:39:31 +0000 https://pcper.com/news/pcper-mailbag-59-nearly-1-hour-of-storage-discussion-with-mr-malventano/#comment-111835 In reply to EddieObscurant.

The slowness observed from an

The slowness observed from an untrimmed external SSD is the result of the additional shuffling of data that must take place in the background. That additional data movement translates to more block erasures for a given amount of host writes (increased write amplification), which means more wear on the flash. Using TRIM is effectively similar to running an SSD with greater amounts of overprovisioning, which is a technique to increase endurance.

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By: EddieObscurant https://pcper.com/2018/10/pcper-mailbag-59-nearly-1-hour-of-storage-discussion-with-mr-malventano/comment-page-1/#comment-111820 Sat, 20 Oct 2018 19:51:07 +0000 https://pcper.com/news/pcper-mailbag-59-nearly-1-hour-of-storage-discussion-with-mr-malventano/#comment-111820 Allyn, i think you didn’t
Allyn, i think you didn’t explain yourself correctly. Trimming or not an ssd, doesn’t affect its lifespan. It affects its performance for sure, but it doesn’t affect its health.

For example if you have the ssd on an external usb to sata controller that doesn’t pass the trim command, the performance of the ssd will be much slower if you write the whole disk, then format it and start using it again.

The disk will be empty but since the trim command wouldn’t have passed the cells will be dirty and the performance will be slow (apart from the internal garbage collector of the ssd). But it’s lifespan shouldn’t be affected. The ssd should just be faster if the trim command was supported by the controller.

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By: Dark_wizzie https://pcper.com/2018/10/pcper-mailbag-59-nearly-1-hour-of-storage-discussion-with-mr-malventano/comment-page-1/#comment-111809 Sat, 20 Oct 2018 08:55:29 +0000 https://pcper.com/news/pcper-mailbag-59-nearly-1-hour-of-storage-discussion-with-mr-malventano/#comment-111809 If I have same number of
If I have same number of cores and frequency as another chip but more L3, I should expect higher single thread perf, right? It’s both higher L3 per core and total L3. What about just total L3? 4 core 8mb vs 8core 16mb, which has faster single thread perf? Does answer vary based on Intel vs AMD?

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By: bobhumplick https://pcper.com/2018/10/pcper-mailbag-59-nearly-1-hour-of-storage-discussion-with-mr-malventano/comment-page-1/#comment-111807 Sat, 20 Oct 2018 07:51:06 +0000 https://pcper.com/news/pcper-mailbag-59-nearly-1-hour-of-storage-discussion-with-mr-malventano/#comment-111807 so in hwinfo64 under samsung
so in hwinfo64 under samsung 960 it has 2 temp readings. ones at 30c and ones at 48c. is one the controller and one the flash? if not what are they.

if that one was an easy answer then here is backup question. ok so people get wound up because intel limits nvme to the dmi bandwidth. if you have 2 970 evos they both basically share a gen 3 x4 lane and one of them can almost max that out alone by itself. but my questiong is what, if any, real world workloads would that actually bottleneck? i mean for video editing you could have 1/3 of that reading from a source drive and a third reading and writing to a a scratch disk and the final third writing to a destination drive. will that actually bottleneck in something like premiere? or anything besides files transfers andor maybe some kind of server app like a database or something crazy?

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By: grrrumpcat https://pcper.com/2018/10/pcper-mailbag-59-nearly-1-hour-of-storage-discussion-with-mr-malventano/comment-page-1/#comment-111794 Fri, 19 Oct 2018 21:49:50 +0000 https://pcper.com/news/pcper-mailbag-59-nearly-1-hour-of-storage-discussion-with-mr-malventano/#comment-111794 Here’s a question: when will
Here’s a question: when will NVidia start shipping RTX 2080 TI with 12 gigabytes of RAM on board?

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By: Kareha https://pcper.com/2018/10/pcper-mailbag-59-nearly-1-hour-of-storage-discussion-with-mr-malventano/comment-page-1/#comment-111790 Fri, 19 Oct 2018 20:21:08 +0000 https://pcper.com/news/pcper-mailbag-59-nearly-1-hour-of-storage-discussion-with-mr-malventano/#comment-111790 I’m stuck at work for another
I’m stuck at work for another 2 hours so can’t wait to get home and watch this 🙂

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